The Miracle of Zionism

"Israel is the only nation in the world that is governing itself in the same territory, under the same name, and with the same religion and same language as it did 3,000 years ago." - Historian Barbara Tuchman

"Israel is the only nation on the face of the earth that was created by a sovereign act of God" - Pastor John Hagee

"All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?" - Author / Atheist, Mark Twain (long before the Holocaust and Israeli-Jewish statehood)

"They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their Empire were but a Bauble in comparison of the Jews. They have given religion to three quarters of the Globe and have influenced the affairs of Mankind more, and more happily, than any other Nation ancient or modern." - President John Adams - His 1808 response letter criticizing the depiction of Jews by the French Enlightenment philosopher Voltaire.

Saturday, November 22, 2008

Islam's Truth and the Liberal's Unbelief of it


As a patriotic American Zionist seeing the ever growing threat to America and especially Israel (our most loyal ally) I have dedicated myself to know Islam from its very foundation up. Basically, I want to know Western civilization’s main enemy through and through and I want to encourage all non-Muslims to do likewise. Take it upon yourself to learn the differences between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-harb and what they mean through the eyes of traditional Islam. Educate yourself of the unspoken sixth pillar of Islam - jihad upon which the spread of Islam was founded. Come to know how the ignorance of Islam gives way to ignorance of jihad and how such ignorance leaves one with the inability to refute lies coming from the Islamic spokepersons who claim that jihad (or the so-called ‘greater jihad‘) is an inner spiritual struggle.

Organizations such as C.A.I. R. (Council on American-Islamic Relations) and O.I.C. (Organized Islamic Council) seek to popularize Islam in America using al-takiyah (Islamic deception for the sake of, and the advancement of Islam) as part of their goal for Islam to take full control over all of Western civilization. Once you have learned their tactics in using al-takiyah you will be able to see beyond the “moderate Muslims” who themselves serve as a cover for the jihadists, and see global-jihad more clearly.

Islam-phobia” is a term most often used by concerned-free idiots (mostly liberals) who are clueless about Islam but reason out what they want to believe about Islam or what they think Islam should be in their liberal world. Most often these liberals are the first to be sold on the al-takiyah notion that Islam is a “religion of peace” and that the “radicals” have hijacked this religion, never questioning the silence of the so-called moderates. It’s sad, but most Western leaders (even the conservative ones - Bush and Blair being to most notable ones) have bought into this al-takiyah religion-of-peace lie due to their ignorance or unwillingness to learn the jihadic truth of Islam.

It’s very important to know (and don’t let the takiyahists tell you any different) that “true Islam” is structured around sharia law. One of the questions I enjoy asking the "radical-Islam is true-Islam" deniers is whether or not sharia law is considered "radical" in their minds. Once we have come to an agreement on the burdens sharia law places upon the community it rules over and is therefore considered "radical" in both mindsets of liberals and conservatives, I then get them to try and explain how "sharia law" in and of itself is not "true" Islam.
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Sharia law is to Islam what halacha law (Jewish law) is to Judaism. Sharia law is based upon the Koran and hadiths (commentary on the Koran and Mohammad’s acts) while halacha law is based upon the Hebrew Bible and the Talmud (biblical commentary). To Islam the hadiths are eye witnessed accounts of how Muhammad responded to certain situations and how he conduced his daily life. These accounts are all subject to determining sharia law. For example, you won’t find anywhere in the Koran how young a girl can be to become married. However, because the fifty-two year old Mohammad (the "excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah" according to sura 33:21 of the Koran) wanted to satisfy himself with a nine year old child, sharia law now dictates that a nine year old girl can be married to a man of any age. Today in sharia law-ran Iran, girls nine years old can become wifes of middle age (need I say sick?) Muslim men.

My challenge to any Imam, Islamic scholar, Islamic apologist, C.A.I.R. spokesperson, or any willfully ignorant liberal (politician or otherwise) who thinks Islam in and of itself is peaceful and harmless, is to show me from the foundations of Islam beginning with Mohammad himself, to Islam’s 1300 year history, where Islam ever operated outside of a dictatorship / caliphate. I’m not from Missouri but I need a Muslim or a ignorant liberal (or conservative) to show me a few things:
  • Show me where sharia law allows for "freedom of religion" and "freedom of expression" towards any religion outside of Islam.

  • Show me where sharia law dictates anything close to the Western ideology concerning woman’s rights and treatment of women.

  • Show me where the State of Israel (or any form of Jewish sovereignty within the ancient homeland of the Jews) has a place in a world ruled by sharia law.

  • Show me where “freedom to assemble” in a newly constructed place of worship taller than the nearest mosque is permissible under sharia law.

  • Show me where sharia law allows “freedom of the press” especially when it comes to Danish political cartoons depicting Muhammad. Come on now, show me!

  • Show me under sharia law where the religion of Islam is to be separated for the government and nor part of the government itself and how Islam wasn't set up to be both government and religion in and of itself from Mohammad on.
Warning to willfully ignorant liberals who have a bleeding heart for Islam, as to what Islamic sharia law proscribes that your bleeding hearts may not like very much:
  • A man to have up to four wives is at liberty to beat them as he feels the need. See Koran sura 4:34. “Honor killings” which in reality is Islamic "honor-murder" go hand in hand with this portion of sharia law.

  • The man's testimony and inheritance is twice that of the woman. See Koran: sura 2:282 and sura 4:11. As we see in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia this Koranic / sharia law plays heavy on female rape victims of which also by sharia law standards needs four witnesses to support their story (sura 24:4).

  • The stoning of an adulterer (especially women). See hadith: Bukhari volume 6, book 60, number 79. This can include female rape victims who doesn't have the four needed male witnesses to convict the rapist leaving her with the appearence that she had sex wuth a male who is not her husband.

  • The flogging of the alcohol drinkers. See Koran sura 5:90-91 and hadith: Muslim book 017, number 4226.

  • Cutting the hand off of the thief. See Koran: sura 5:38.

  • Cutting off hands and feet of those speaking against Muhammad. See Koran: sura 5:33. Dutch cartoonists would be, shall I say, totally out of commission.

  • The killing of those who leave Islam. See Koran: sura 4:89.

  • The woman to be covered with a hijab (woman's head covering). See Koran: sura 24:31

What about Islam's "no compulsion in religion"?

Abrogation (nasikh in Arabic) of one verse or revelation for another is very common in the Koran (see sura 2:106 and 16:100). One tactic a takiyah spokesperson will use is placing verses in the Koran (ayat in Arabic) outside their stage of revelation. As the developments that surrounded Mohammad changed during his false prophethood, so did his revelations. The more power and influence he gained the more aggressive his revelations became concerning non-Muslims and all those who opposed him. The famous verse that all takiyah Muslims of the world love to quote is where Mohammad states, "There is no compulsion religion" (sura 2:56). However what the takiyah Muslims won't tell Westerners about this revelation is the fact that this revelation came several years before the revelation of jihad. 1 So what the takiyah Muslims will do before Western eyes is quote such verses that came prior to the "jihad revelation" and try passing it off as the absolute and final word that the Koran has to say on the subject, knowing full well that a revelation of jihad soon followed and abrogated that very verse they just quoted!

Sayid Qutb is one of the modern radical Islam founders. His book "Milestones" has been banned in many Muslim countries by Muslim dictators who don't want to give up their dictatorship to a government that is ran under sharia law. What makes "Milestones" so threatening is that it correctly places the stages of Mohammad's life with his revelations found in the Koran leading up to the last and final jihad revelations. The fact that no Imam or Mullah could disprove Qutb facts (showing that radical Islam under sharia law is "true Islam") finally cost him his life and his books to be banned.

Qutb's layout of the escalating stages leading up to jihad along with my thoughts are as follows:
  • Stage one - the false prophet was commanded "to read" (sura 96:1-5) though illiterate. This began his false prophethood by which he had not yet began his ministry.

  • Stage two - In this stage of thirteen years the false prophet only preached without usage of the sword and without forcing the dhimmi (a subjugated infidel under a Muslim caliphate-ruler) to pay jizyah - a special inflated "protection tax". It was during this stage he was building power and influence among friends, family, relatives. and tribesmen who would listen. It was also during this stage that he wasn't too negative in his revelations towards the Jews because he was hoping to bring them to his revelations peaceably.

  • Stage three - After Mohammad fled to Medinah from Mecca (the hajrah in 622 CE) he was able to gather an army. His revelations then allowed him to actually fight but to fight with only those who fought him. Forcing all Christian and Jews pay the special "protection tax - jazyah was still out of reach at this stage. Those who didn't make war with him, he was content to leave alone - for the time being. It is from this third but non-final stage that such revelations of fighting only the non-Muslims that made war with Muslims that today's modern takiyah Muslims will point to in order to paint jihad as being only a defensive struggle: "Permission to fight is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed. And surely Allah is able to assist them" - sura 22:39. Then, to add al-takiyah upon al-takiyah, they will throw in the seemingly proof-text of "no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256) to back that "jihad- defense only" takiyah claim up. They will do this playing on Western ignorance by willfully hiding the fact that there is a "next stage" of the false prophet's life and the "revelation of jihad" that goes with it! What most Westerns don't realize due to their ignorance of Islamic history is that if the above defense-only revelation and the others like it had remained the final revelation on the subject of jihad and Islamic war principles, then Islam would have never had the vast and rapid expansion it experienced during its first century and a half of existence. This includes all of Arabia being conquered (not freely converted) within Mohammad's lifetime. Because Mohammad wasn't satisfied with communities such as Khaybar and Mecca living outside the rule of his Isalm, jihad literally took on a whole new meaning and revelation immediately after he obtained a sizeable army while the earlier references of jihad and war that he had received with a lesser sized army (like the one above) became abrogated (sura 2:106 / 16:101).

  • Stage four (the jihad stage) - After Mohammad gained a big enough army he then began pulling off raids that graduated into full scale battles finally culminating in the conquering of all of Arabia. It was during this stage that peace treaties that had no expiration date were given four months to either join Mohammad or be considered an enemy where they would have to fight with Mohammad's army (sura 9:1-2). The very fact that Mohammad would cancel a treaty whereby no treat to him was given proves him to be the aggressor and that jihad is not simply a "defensive struggle" by Koranic standards. This jihad revelation allowed Jews and Christians (people of the book) to continue their faith but in order to do so, they now must start paying the jizyah protection tax as dhimmis as an open declaration of their submission to Islamic rule. According to the last words of sura 9:29 the dhimmis must be "brought low" and that "they must feel being subservient". With the pagans of Arabia (of whom kept peaceful treaties) given only four months to decide to convert or fight, and of Jews and Christians being forced to pay a high tax in order to continue to practice their religion, where is that good old "no compulsion in religion" now in this jihad stage consisting of the "new" jihad revelation? Can we in the West not see the abrogation of the "no compulsion in religion" revelation?
Before Mohammad's revelation of jihad the people of Arabia were not placed into categories by the Muslims. Only after Mohammad became a force was there then a need for treaties. People were placed into categories who had treaties with Mohammad and those who were without a treaty. The tribes that had treaties with Mohammad as well as those who remained without treaties didn't seek to fight with him. They had all converted to Islam (perhaps to aviod war with Mohammad) by the time their four month grace period had expired. This left only three categories concerning all the people of the world. One, being the Muslim. Two, being the dhimmi (person of the book) who submitted themselves to Islamic rule. Three, being the infidel that is at war with Islam.
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There is only two domains or abodes in the world as seen through the eyes of Islam "dar al-Islam" and "dar al-harb" . The first two kinds of people (the Muslim and the dhimmi) abide in the "House of Islam" dar al-Islam, and those that are at war with Islam abide in the "House of War" dar al-harb. Wikipedia defines the Arabic term "harbi" as "one under a declaration of war" and "one of whom is non-Muslim and does not live under the rule of Islam". 2 Since the revelation of jihad there can be no true treaties with the House of War as dictated in the Koran's jihad revelation. Just like the pagans who had treaties with Mohammad and those who didn't - to live outside of Muslim rule peaceably yet not subdued was not an option! So is it today in bringing this jihad revelation (that was never canceled out being the very last of revelations) into the modern world. Today, most all of Western civilization comes under dar al-harb House of War given Mohammad's jihad revelation.
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Ibn Taymiyah, is a well known and respected fourteeth-century jurist in Islamic law and he stated many centuries before 9/11 and all the modern jihad terrorism that we see today: "Any act of war against Dar al-Harb is morally and legally justified, and exempt from any ethical judgment." So when the al-takiyah Muslims quotes you the "no compulsion in religion" reading in the Koran, ask them how such a learned and respected Islamic scholar like Taymiyah could get it so wrong. Then watch them flinch big-time and try to avoid any further discussion concerning Islam.
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It becomes obvious when looking through the lens of the Koran in all of its stages of revelations that Al-Queda, Hamas, Hizbollah, and the like, are not hijackers of the Islam but indeed true Muslims following in the same footsteps of Mohammad and Allah-given revelations! The actual hijackers of Islam would be the moderate Muslims who only take part of the Koran (the earlier revelations before jihad) instead of taking the total and complete Koran including the last and final revelation of jihad (sura 9).
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It must be noted that during times of Islamic weakness to conquer the House of War, a Hudaybiyah treaty 3 can be made allowing Islamic forces to gain strength. This type of treaty is called a hudna which is never to be considered a final status in Islam. Only the abode of dar al-Islam, (the abode of Islam) can be final. This is why Israel will never ever-ever, have peace with the Palestinians or any Muslim country that surrounds them. It's simply not within their culture, nationalism, and their Koran and hadith mindset won't allow it. No man-made two-state solution can ever override Allah's will that was given to Mohammad as a revelation of jihad. To the Muslim belief that competes with the Jewish Bible, Israel is the epitome of dar-al harb in Islam's eyes and of which challenges Islam at its very core root.
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After Mohammad conquered Arabia of which he reportedly stated "I will expel the Jews and Christians from Arabia Peninsula, and will not leave any but Muslims"4 he then set his sights on the rest of the world. Takuk that was outside the peninsula was attacked and letters was sent to kings (even empire leaders) summoning them to Islam for the purpose of Allah's mercy (basically Allah wouldn't have mercy on them 'in the form of jihad' if they refused). http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/letters.html
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This shows Muhammad's intention of spreading his Islam by the sword throughout the world of which his successors (the caliphs) did indeed take the entire Middle East and then some by the sword of Allah. Even the Koran in its jihad revelation instructs the Muslim to complete this task:
"And fight with them until there is no more fitnah (unbelief) and all religions are for Allah" -sura 8:39
He it is who has sent his messenger with guidance and religion of truth that he may make it prevail over all religions" - sura 9:33
Keep in mind that the Koran quotes above are spoken from a religious warlord that was in the process of conquering all of Arabia.
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The bottom line is this: Islam is a religion of jihad and oppression and not one of peace and prosperity. The countries under this religion proves this to be so. It would do a bleeding heart willfully ignorant towards Islam liberal some good to live under sharia law just to see that Islam is not something to have any type of compassion for. Taking at its full measure and revelations, Islam can never be compatible with America's Constitution and Bill of Rights, never! The West needs to wake up!

Notes:

1. The "no compulsion in religion" revelation came as an early Medinan revelation (just after the hajj when Mohammad fled to Medinah in 622 CE). The Jihad Revelation (Mohammad's final) came in the ninth year of the Hijrah (630 CE). After eight years of being a warlord, his revelations matched his actions abrogating his "no compulsion in religion" revelation that was no longer needed due to his change in status.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

3. Mohammad made a ten-year peace treaty with people of Mecca (the Quraysh tribe) in 628 CE on the plain of Hudaybiyah simply because his forces wasn't strong enough to take the city of Mecca. However, after two years of making this ten-year agreement, Mohammad found a way to break this treaty as soon as his army was strong enough to take the city.

4. Hadith: Muslim book 19, number 4366. Based upon this hadith Jews and Christians are not allowed to live in modern Saudi Arabia and cannot even visit Mecca. Everytime I read this I can't help but think of the Jews of Gaza being expelled in August, 2005 for the very same reason.

20 comments:

Aboo Yazeed said...

# Show me where sharia law allows for "freedom of religion" and "freedom of expression" towards any religion outside of Islam.

2:256

Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

Aboo Yazeed said...

Show me where sharia law dictates anything close to the Western ideology concerning woman’s rights and treatment of women.

The west is the criteria of woman rights God is, and God has given woman all the rights they need in order to perform the purpose of their creation. Woman in Islam had rights before the concept of woman rights existed.

Aboo Yazeed said...

Show me where the State of Israel (or any form of Jewish sovereignty within the ancient homeland of the Jews) has a place in a world ruled by sharia law

According to NETUREI KARTA there is no legitimate Israel today, show me where there can be a Israel according to Jewish law and then i can answer your question.

Aboo Yazeed said...

Show me where “freedom to assemble” in a newly constructed place of worship taller than the nearest mosque is permissible under sharia law.

This is at the discretion of the Islamic ruler of the Islamic state, so where in a state that will be established by the Messiah according to you guys would a mosque be allowed?

Aboo Yazeed said...

Show me where sharia law allows “freedom of the press” especially when it comes to Danish political cartoons depicting Muhammad. Come on now, show me!

Why would Muslims under Shariah be obligated to allow such a thing? And show me anywhere in the EU you can openly question the holocaust?

Aboo Yazeed said...

Show me under sharia law where the religion of Islam is to be separated for the government and nor part of the government itself and how Islam wasn't set up to be both government and religion in and of itself from Mohammad on.

Islamic law has laws on how to setup and run a a state just like Jewish law.

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 25 2010 (12:25 pm)

Why did you equate "freedom of religion" and "freedom of expression" with Bukhari's quote concerning "hurting a non-Muslim?

For sure there is a penalty under sharia law for killing submitted dhimmi. In fact, a big hefty fine could be imposed on the Muslim who kills a submitted non-believing dhimmi, but can that non-believing submitted dhimmi "freely express" and "worship freely" his non-Muslim religion without "sharia law" advocates restricting "freely worship" - such as performing a Christian concert in open public in say... Medina, Saudi Arabia?

I think that is what I meant when I said, "Show me where sharia law allows for "freedom of religion" and "freedom of expression" towards any religion outside of Islam."

But since you mentioned it, why is it that under sharia law, a "death penalty" can be imposed on a Muslim who murders another Muslim, but when it comes to a Muslim murdering a non-believing dhimmi the death penalty is NOT a penalty option?

For example, if a Muslim-Arab from the Qurash tribe decides to murder oh say, 900 Banu Qurazah men and young boys (all who had pubic hair) from the city of Yathrib and then throws their bodies into trenches, and then confiscates their belongings and property - ALL OF WHICH TOOK PLACE IN NAZI GERMANY AND NAZI POLAND, nothing will happen under sharia law to the Haj Amin al Husseini - al Nazi.
Why is that?

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 25 2010 (12:28 pm)

I just watch the true-story movie of "The Stoning of Soraya M." And oh yes, women of Islam have all kinds of rights.
Rights to "prove" their innocents at husband accusations - while she has to "prove" her accusations concerning him. I call it "women 'proving' rights".

Women of Islam have rights to have "half" a testimony under sharia.
Rights to "half" of inheritance.
Rights to be beaten (sura 4:34)
Rights to drive a vehicle especially in Mohammad's own old stomping ground of Saudi Arabia!

Rights to get male-permission to make the religious hajj.
Rights to be Burka-ed out in public.
Rights to be HONOR-MURDERED by her own father for becoming independent like, heaven-forbid, getting job or even dating....a Jew of all things!

Oh yes, women have many RIGHTS in Islam!

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 25 2010 (12:30 pm)

The Neturi Karta no more speaks for Israel and the Jewish people than "Arabs for Israel" [http://arabsforisrael.blogspot.com/]
speaks for Islam or the Arab people.

The Jewish Neturi Karta (if one chooses to actually call them Jewish) is the modern version of the ancient Jewish Korites of Numbers chapter 16.

Show you where there can be a Israel according to Jewish law? Are you really serious?
Let's take THE "Jewish" LAW of Musa itself that nothing can ever be added or taken away as God's Law:

"Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
But with him that standeth here with us this day before Y'H'V'H' our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day (future Jewish generations) ....
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither Y"H"V"H" thy God hath driven thee,
And shalt return unto Y"H"V"H" thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
That then Y"H"V"H" thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither Y"H"V"H" thy God hath scattered thee.
If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will Y"H"V"H" thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
And Y'H'V'H' thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

So there you have it straight from the root of Jewish Law and what it clearly states about future Israel sovereignty. Now go back and answer the question you said you would answer in your post!

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 25 2010 (12:33 pm)

Are you saying that an Islamic ruler can decide to use his discretion and allow “freedom to assemble” in a newly constructed place of worship taller than the nearest mosque, while implementing and heading sharia law??
Boy, I'd like to see the Israelic ruler on that one!
Wait a minute...come to think of it, Iran, the Taliban, and Saudi Arabia all allow big huge churches and synagogues to be constructed bigger and higher than many mosques in the areas...hahahaha now that's hahahah funny....hahahah.

Ok, seriously in answering your question:"so where in a state that will be established by the Messiah according to you guys would a mosque be allowed?"

Answer: There would be mosques if there were Muslims around in that age....but there won't be!
The former Muslims who make it through Y"H"V"H"'s wrath will be garbing the hem of a Jew in seeking guidance in following Y"H"V"H" (leaving the concept of Arabia's Allah)

"Thus saith Y"H"V"H" of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. - Zech 8:23

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 25 2010 (12:30 pm)

You wrote: "Why would Muslims under Shariah be obligated to allow such a thing?"

My response: That's my point Aboo. Under sharia no non-Muslim has the "freedom" to disagree nor the "freedom" to express their disagreement with Islam. This is precisely why Islam is a communist-style religion.
It is "Fatherless" in being absent of fatherly love (as Muhammad grow up fatherless) mindset" It is where one must "submit" (Islam) in the religion.

You wrote: "show me anywhere in the EU you can openly question the holocaust?"

My response: It's funny how you identify the Holocaust with the subject religion.
Perhaps the EU knows that by allowing the questioning of the Holocaust leads to another one?

Take your Islamic (nutcase) brother Ahmadinejad for example; he'll deny the Jewish Holocaust in a dark spiritual conception of planning for the next one!

Apparently, Islam has caused you too, to be willfully ignorant of the Haj Amin al-Husseini al-Nazi Islamic contribution of the greatest sin of (gentile) mankind!

I don't recall a Zionist meeting with Hitler in November, 1941.

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 25 2010 (12:37 pm)

You wrote: "Islamic law has laws on how to setup and run a a state just like Jewish law."

My response: It's funny how the Muslim Arabs living as Israeli citizens under Israeli statehood, are far better off financially as a whole, and enjoy many more democratic freedoms that anywhere in the Arab-Muslim world of the Middle East.

I'll look for the Jewish Law where I can beat my wife (like sura 4:34)
then maybe I won't have to threaten my wife with converting to Islam when she acts against my will hahaha...I'll just threaten her with fully converting to Judaism...hahahahaha... oh come on, Aboo, you know that's the funniest thing you ever heard....hahahaah!

Aboo Yazeed said...

Why did you equate "freedom of religion" and "freedom of expression" with Bukhari's quote concerning "hurting a non-Muslim?

One there need to be a distinction made between what happens in a Islamic state, what happens in a Muslim majority state and what happens among Muslim minorities in a non-Muslim/non-Islamic state. Islamic law is applied differently in different circumstances. This is the problem with the terrorist they attempt to enact laws that only apply in a Islamic state outside of the existence of one, which leads to convoluted innovations in shariah. So to answer your question, I used that to show in a setting where the shariah is applied absolutely (i.e the Islamic state) people of the book have the freedom to remain upon their religion. The issue of public displays of their religion is separate, the Islamic state is consecrated( this is key) to the oneness of God(Tawheed/Monotheism) and the recognition of Muhammad peace be upon him as the last Messenger, the land of the Islamic state is there by sacred, no different then the theocratic state of the Vatican a place dedicated to the catholic church. know one is going to be allowed to build a protestant church synagogue or mosque there. Everyone by default recognizes the Catholic churches right to keep the Vatican consecrated to Catholicism so to they should recognize Islams right to do the same in a Khalifah lead Islamic state. You can not compare this situation to the Sates of the West know one claims that they are religious states, they are secular there is no state religion.

So as far as what is below the grade of the Islamic state even more "freedom" would be allowed for non-Muslims seeing that those states like a Muslim majority country are not sacred in the same sense as the Islamic state. And as far as the Muslim minorities they have no right to force anything on the non-Muslims who have allowed them to live in their country as guest. But it is obligated that they - Muslims, have the freedom to practice Islam openly in a non-Muslim nation or they are obligated by shariah to migrate away from it.

Aboo Yazeed said...

I just watch the true-story movie of "The Stoning of Soraya M." And oh yes, women of Islam have all kinds of rights.

None of that has to do with a academic approach to the Sharia, the excesses of any Muslim majority state or Muslim individual do not necessary reflect the true intent of the Shariah, just the excesses of America or a American citizen do not represent the true intention of the Constitution.

Aboo Yazeed said...

Your examples are null and void there is no Khalifah on the earth at this time and no complete Islamic state all the Muslims are living in the condition of being minorities or majorities in non -Islamic states. Must i remind you if it was not for the Islamic state the Jews would have been wiped out by the Christians, so a favor for a favor you found refuge in out State so what is the problem if some Palestinians are citizens of yours?

Aboo Yazeed said...

how can you compare the secular socialist Jewish state to the glorious nation of Israel that was ran in accordance to God's commands?

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 26, 2010 (9:19 am)

You wrote: "But it is obligated that they - Muslims, have the freedom to practice Islam openly in a non-Muslim nation or they are obligated by shariah to migrate away from it."

My response: That's not what Mohammad did with his Islamic principles and goals during his war raids, his breaking of the Hudaibiya treaty, and the taking over of all Arabia "by the sword".
Your statement above doesn't correspond with sura 9 (the last revelation of Mohammed) - that is "stage 4 - the final "jihad" stage) according to Sayeed Qupt's book, "Milestine Alone the Way".

One look at the Saudis' Whabbism where Jews at one time, very prevalent before the advent of Islam, and then I asked mtself, where are all the once thriving Jewish tribes and synagiogues?
It is because Mohammad said,
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula....I will not leave any but Muslims"? - (sahih) Muslim book 19 number 4366

Because of the Islamic VVRS syndrome (see my blog on this subject) Islam sees the Jewish people out to destroy Islam while the true intent is the exact reverse, and here is the proof:
"The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim or servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him” - Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj al-Qushari ( 821 - 873 AD) Book 41 No. 6985"

I agree the less sharia there is in Muslim countries, the more freedom Jews have. But the closer to "pure sharia" the harder it gets (as in Saudi Arabia) for Jews (and even Christians - as in Bethlehem today) to exist at all.

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 26, 2010 (9:24 am)

You wrote: "the excesses of any Muslim majority state or Muslim individual do not necessary reflect the true intent of the Shariah"

My response: The problem with want you call "excesses" and as well as "jihad" is that the Islamic sunnah is ever so silent in condemning so-called "excesses" unless they're put on the spot and then their "takiah" kicks in!

Do you consider CAIR's "excuses" to the West of Islamic terrorism (such as the recent incident at Ft. Hood) to be excesses?
Where were you Aboo after 9/11?
How much "condemning of the "magnificent 19" did you do right afterward, and how much condemning of them have you done since?

Perhaps you should endorse the movie (The Stoning of Soraya M) as a Muslim and promote it for all the people of Iran to view since it exposes what you call sharia "excesses"?

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 26, 2010 (9:32 am)

You wrote: "Must I remind you if it was not for the Islamic state the Jews would have been wiped out by the Christians, so a favor for a favor you found refuge in out State so what is the problem if some Palestinians are citizens of yours?"

My response: Must I remind you if it was not for the Jewish nation, the Hebrew Bible, the Hebrew prophets, and Judaism from which ideas are found in the Koran, there would have never been a religion called Islam!

The root core of the Palestinian - Israeli conflict is theology based. It's not about territory as the media hypes it up. It is about the God of the land. You know this!

The physical conflict is over the spiritual battle between Y'H"V"H" and His eternal covenant with offspring of Jacob verses Allah - the god of the land of Arabia.
They are NOT the same God! - two different lands, two different holy books, two different languages, two different peoples, two different covenants, two different concepts of worship of God, TWO DIFFERENT GODS!

If any so-called "Palestinian" (such as Walid Shoebat) or any Gentile can embrace the Holy God of Israel (the God of the Land of Israel) and His eternal covenant, then he/she has all rights as any Israelite! But for any Gentile (and including Jews - like your "Neturi Karta" Jews) if they set up like a virus host within the body to do damage to the body, then they should and will be ousted from the land - just like ancient Israel was!

This is Hebrew Bible by the way;
Ezekiel 47:22-23
Embrace the covenant of Y'H"V"H' Aboo, and I'll meet you in Israel under the covenant as a true brother. I view that as a long-shot because I know how strong Islam can grip someone's mind, but that is my prayer anyhow!

Joe Whitehead said...

To Aboo Yazeed - response to post March 26, 2010 (9:57 am)

You wrote: "How can you compare the secular socialist Jewish state to the glorious nation of Israel that was ran in accordance to God's commands?"

My response: I'm not. I'm just saying within that Jewish secular state, the Muslim Arabs (Palestinians) are better off that most of the Muslims living within Muslims Middle East countries - believe me, I've talk to them.

However, there is one thing about the secular state of Israel - it's Biblical! The hated "Zionists" are a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy - in being gathered back to the land of their ancient forefathers -
Ezekiel 36:24 states:
"For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
If you go no further in this text there you have the "gathered" secular state of Israel. But when we continue on further in the text in the very next verse we see Y"H"V"H" doing something with Israel "after" He gathers them:

"THEN" will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Therefore, the Palestinian-sought destruction of the State of Israel will never happen and this is why Israel won the Six day war - there is a covenant-prophecy of the "gathered" Jews into their homeland involved here!